When should a school intervene? Never? (school lunch issue)
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I teach fifth grade, so I see this a lot. We offer free breakfast and free lunch (and a free fruit serving at recess). If I see a kid eating chips or a drink at lunch besides what we provide, I tell them to save it until snack time.0
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EvgeniZyntx wrote: »Fascinating thread of ad hominems, red herrings and fallacious arguments. On one side we have busy bodies, snitches, too many cooks and on the other negligent and abusive parents.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrGrOK8oZG8 0 -
Schools should intervene if and when it affects performance. Therein lies the problem - the school system is not setup to base upon performance any longer.0
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Schools should intervene if and when it affects performance. Therein lies the problem - the school system is not setup to base upon performance any longer.
Unfortunately school isn't the way it was when we were kids but things change. Although the school my kids go to ask questions if the child is underperforming. Other schools do the same. Homelife can effect school life. Nutrition can effect results and performance.0 -
I remember when I was in elementary school I had fast food and soda everyday for lunch because I was an extremely picky eater. Occasionally I had a thermos of chicken noodle soup and either some cheetos or dunkaroos with grapes or a banana (never ate the fruit). I refused to eat food that wasn't hot so whatever my parents would make at home couldn't go into my lunch box because I wouldn't eat it (except...thermos. I was a weird child). I always ate my dad's home cooked breakfast and dinner every night though. And I was pretty active.
A teacher came up to me one time and said I was going to get fat, and tried taking my soda away and replacing it with milk (I'm lactose intolerant btw). I think I misheard her and told my mom that a teacher said I was fat, and the whole milk thing -- she called the school later and really let them have it. The teacher was severely reprimanded and apologized to me the next day. Bottom line, sure, the administration should probably know and keep an eye on the child for any negative indicators (lethargy, not as active, trouble concentrating, dropping grades, etc), but ultimately you don't know the child's daily sources of nutrition, so making assumptions based on one meal you visibly see could land you in big trouble.
Side note: And no, I was never fat until I overloaded on all the foods in my last semester of college. Om nom nom. I've lost most of the college weight though, so it all works out!
ETA: Also no, I'm not dying prematurely because fast food, before you ask. All health markers are good.0 -
Perhaps cardiac arrest is slightly over exaggerated, but we all agree it's not okay to give Red Bull to a young child.
Also, on the way to school the child is in the care of a parent/ guardian. Once the child is at school, they become the responsibility of the caregivers there, being the teachers. I guess that's the whole point here.
Not really. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21037046
http://newsroom.heart.org/news/energy-drinks-may-increase-blood-pressure-disturb-heart-rhythm0 -
I think you should mind your own business
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skinnyinnotime wrote: »The school should have a policy on what foods are allowed to be eaten there.
If a child isn't fed a nutrional diet it is neglect.
you can tell an entire child's diet from ONE bag of doritos and ONE can of red bull?
I'm impressed- can you tell me the lotto numbers for next week too?
PS- don't look at my weekend. It pretty much looks like I straight up had a weekend fling affair with the Debil.
You know- because Sugar = Debil.
Man.. the number of times I gave away my 'healthy' food in order to buy ice cream sandwiches for lunch... Super glad I wasn't living now, where my parents would be hauled away for perceived neglect. ^_^ Still managed to win a lot of track & field medals, guess that 'junk food' wasn't making much of a dent in my health.
This post sums it up for me. Ate ice cream sandwiches and won life.
Hovering over and coddling our own children has become the societal standard to such a degree that we are now hovering over and coddling other people's children. Because we somehow feel justified in telling other people how to live their lives and raise their children. And justified in doing things like calling CPS to rip apart a family because their children were walking down the street without their parents (for example).
It's ridiculous to be on such a high horse as to tell other parents how good or bad a job they are doing. People need some degree of struggle and hardship in order to grow and develop properly, both as children and as adults.0 -
However, none of the above has anything to do with someone stepping in and parenting other people's children for them. It's nunya. Take care of your own kids.
Excuse me but I do take care of my kids and some that don't have food to eat. I take care of their parents too. Where I am the people still believe that it takes a community to raise a child. I share my food with the less privileged so as not to waste it. I give water to those I see nearby who are thirsty and don't have any money to buy for themselves. I am no Mother Theresa but I try my best to help out especially with the kids in the school my kids attend. Sometimes other parents need a hand sometime and helping is not illegal, that's why there are social workers and councillors.
do you find the wind messes up your hair at that altitude?
Yeah, that was my thought too-also are there no drinking fountains around or places with free water (like every restaurant), that someone has to provide water for others? My gosh where has allz the water gone?!0 -
i'm surprised that the energy drink is allowed at an elementary school and frankly that bothers me.... Here we aren't even allowed soda at schools (but for some reason high sugar "fake" juices are allowed)....
I think elementary and middle schools should be monitored pretty closely as far as what food and drinks are allowed, then once high school comes around let the kids start to figure it out and put what we've taught them to the test.
I'm in the camp of who cares about the doritos, the energy drink would make me very uncomfortable.0 -
EvgeniZyntx wrote: »Fascinating thread of ad hominems, red herrings and fallacious arguments. On one side we have busy bodies, snitches, too many cooks and on the other negligent and abusive parents.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrGrOK8oZG8
I . . .I love you0 -
veganbettie wrote: »i'm surprised that the energy drink is allowed at an elementary school and frankly that bothers me.... Here we aren't even allowed soda at schools (but for some reason high sugar "fake" juices are allowed)....
I think elementary and middle schools should be monitored pretty closely as far as what food and drinks are allowed, then once high school comes around let the kids start to figure it out and put what we've taught them to the test.
I'm in the camp of who cares about the doritos, the energy drink would make me very uncomfortable.
It does make me question whether this question was intentionally invented to make people reply due to the energy drink, but then be attacked for playing food police over doritos. It's too convenient. Doritos and Pepsi, probably a lot less people would care.0 -
veganbettie wrote: »i'm surprised that the energy drink is allowed at an elementary school and frankly that bothers me.... Here we aren't even allowed soda at schools (but for some reason high sugar "fake" juices are allowed)....
I think elementary and middle schools should be monitored pretty closely as far as what food and drinks are allowed, then once high school comes around let the kids start to figure it out and put what we've taught them to the test.
I'm in the camp of who cares about the doritos, the energy drink would make me very uncomfortable.
It does make me question whether this question was intentionally invented to make people reply due to the energy drink, but then be attacked for playing food police over doritos. It's too convenient. Doritos and Pepsi, probably a lot less people would care.
funny how the energy drink got ignored in most of the posts.
I freaking love energy drinks. But I don't want my kid drinking them...and therefore I won't drink them....
although my 2 year old asked me for coffee this morning....0 -
you're one of those people who call police every time you see a child in the car alone don't you? Mom's going to do jail time for "neglect" or labelled as negligent offenders because they ran inside rite aid to get toilet paper while their child who hasn't slept all day is finally asleep in the car.
You mean, people who are concerned that a child doesn't have adequate supervision & education,randomtai wrote:This is why I want to home school my children. Too many busy body (sic) people.
is consistently eating junk instead of a nutritious breakfast, and is having a drink which could cause
serious health problems?
That's not being a busybody, that's showing concern for the child. More people need to do it.
not every case is one of "concern for the child" it really is being a busy body.
Why do police have so much power they only go to school for six months yet screw up so many lives with a simple ticket or arrest often times for BS!! I think their power hungry no one pulled over should get out of a ticket its not their job at that point. They saw a crime and should ticket not play judge jury and prosecuter on the side of the road to satisfy some perceived power they have given themselves?? WTF. I use to support the police but now creating traffic jams to stop everyone just to check if u have a license F-Them this is my city and I Vote!!
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Michael190lbs wrote: »
you're one of those people who call police every time you see a child in the car alone don't you? Mom's going to do jail time for "neglect" or labelled as negligent offenders because they ran inside rite aid to get toilet paper while their child who hasn't slept all day is finally asleep in the car.
You mean, people who are concerned that a child doesn't have adequate supervision & education,randomtai wrote:This is why I want to home school my children. Too many busy body (sic) people.
is consistently eating junk instead of a nutritious breakfast, and is having a drink which could cause
serious health problems?
That's not being a busybody, that's showing concern for the child. More people need to do it.
not every case is one of "concern for the child" it really is being a busy body.
Why do police have so much power they only go to school for six months yet screw up so many lives with a simple ticket or arrest often times for BS!! I think their power hungry no one pulled over should get out of a ticket its not their job at that point. They saw a crime and should ticket not play judge jury and prosecuter on the side of the road to satisfy some perceived power they have given themselves?? WTF. I use to support the police but now creating traffic jams to stop everyone just to check if u have a license F-Them this is my city and I Vote!!
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I would not intervene because you don't know the whole situation to judge. I would try to get a garden started at the school, if there isn't one already. Every child should have the opportunity to learn where their food comes from.0
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softblondechick wrote: »Don't do it. And don't judge. At least this kid has food. She probably packs her own food, from what is in the home. I doubt anyone packs her lunch, or even pays much attention to her.
Some kids just survive childhood.
That is so sad, so if the parents don't care the teacher shouldn't either?
You can care about kids, without alienating parents and creating problems. Offer the child a banana. Make a classroom assignment to write food eaten for each meal for three days, and look at the assignments, is the Doritos and Red Bull a part of a day with pot roast and veggies for dinner?
We don't know. The worst thing is to create defensive environment with parents. If food problems are an issue, it should be referred to social work and the school nurse to review and approach a parent. My job is to teach, not be the "food police".0 -
When the OP says that the child comes to school eating Doritos and energy drinks, am I to assume that this is out on campus before the start of the school day? My school does not allow students to walk into classrooms eating though we do serve free and reduced-price breakfast to qualified kids. If that is the case, the issue is not the Doritos, per se, but having food out at all. As for the health qualities of food brought to school, my only interaction with parents regarding food is to request that the parents of my yearbook students help me stock my classroom with nutritious snacks for late afternoon work times. I give examples of granola bars, nuts, etc. and say that I would prefer not to have a lot of candy and chips. I've never had a complaint.
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softblondechick wrote: »
We don't know. The worst thing is to create defensive environment with parents. If food problems are an issue, it should be referred to social work and the school nurse to review and approach a parent. My job is to teach, not be the "food police".
In Germany we only call social services if a child is being seriously mistreated and I as a normal teacher wouldn't even be allowed to do so. I'd have to tell the principal if I think a child is being abused and he can choose to inform child services. German schools also don't have school nurses - what do they do in America? We have school psychologists but usually you share one between 2-5 schools and they're not "real" psychologists, they only did an extra course at uni.
I understand things are different in different countries but over here it's not just "teaching" that's our job but preparing kids for life and part of it is watching out for their health. You don't have to be "food police" or fat-shame these kids. But ignoring these things doesn't really help.
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Im from the UK so not sure how old a second grader is... im guessing about 6-7 in which case that is atrocious!
But htis post made me think about a girl in my year when we were about 11-12, her mum would give her £5 each morning for breakfast as she seemed to struggle to get herself and her daughter to work each morning. This girl was TINY but with that £5 each morning she bought a fizzy drink, a large pack of fresh baked sugar coated filled doughnuts and a side snack like crisps or chocolate or fresh baked smarties cookies or something. Needless to say, she wasnt teeny tiny for very long, and she currently has to order her clothes online due to poor choices starting 13-14 years ago.
Could you do a healthy eating lesson?0
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