freeoscar wrote: » ndj1979 wrote: » freeoscar wrote: » ndj1979 wrote: » freeoscar wrote: » http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/07/31/making-the-case-for-eating-fruit/?_r=0 Here is an article discussing why it is better for your body to get sugar from whole fruit rather than added refined. I stopped reading at Ludwig.... I will see your blog, and raise you with this one...http://www.alanaragonblog.com/2010/01/29/the-bitter-truth-about-fructose-alarmism/ also, just because you get fiber from fruit does not make the sugar in fruit better. If I eat added sugar and take a multivitamin does it become good??? Clearly you stopped reading the article, as here is a direct quote from it: "You can’t just take an 8-ounce glass of cola and add a serving of Metamucil and create a health food,” Dr. Ludwig said. “Even though the fructose-to-fiber ratio might be the same as an apple, the biological effects would be much different.” why not? it has fiber in it, same as fruit... because your body breaks down the fruit, which combines the items together, differently than it does the items when they are separate. Here's an unrelated example for you - pour some oil in a glass. then pour some vinegar. Now pour the same amounts into a jar and emulsify them. Now return each example to its original state of separate oil and vinegar. I'm not some whole foods person, and I eat plenty of refined sugar and carbs, but you have to be a little daft to not think that it is healthier to satisfy a sweet craving by eating a piece of whole fruit rather than an Oreo cookie.
ndj1979 wrote: » freeoscar wrote: » ndj1979 wrote: » freeoscar wrote: » http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/07/31/making-the-case-for-eating-fruit/?_r=0 Here is an article discussing why it is better for your body to get sugar from whole fruit rather than added refined. I stopped reading at Ludwig.... I will see your blog, and raise you with this one...http://www.alanaragonblog.com/2010/01/29/the-bitter-truth-about-fructose-alarmism/ also, just because you get fiber from fruit does not make the sugar in fruit better. If I eat added sugar and take a multivitamin does it become good??? Clearly you stopped reading the article, as here is a direct quote from it: "You can’t just take an 8-ounce glass of cola and add a serving of Metamucil and create a health food,” Dr. Ludwig said. “Even though the fructose-to-fiber ratio might be the same as an apple, the biological effects would be much different.” why not? it has fiber in it, same as fruit...
freeoscar wrote: » ndj1979 wrote: » freeoscar wrote: » http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/07/31/making-the-case-for-eating-fruit/?_r=0 Here is an article discussing why it is better for your body to get sugar from whole fruit rather than added refined. I stopped reading at Ludwig.... I will see your blog, and raise you with this one...http://www.alanaragonblog.com/2010/01/29/the-bitter-truth-about-fructose-alarmism/ also, just because you get fiber from fruit does not make the sugar in fruit better. If I eat added sugar and take a multivitamin does it become good??? Clearly you stopped reading the article, as here is a direct quote from it: "You can’t just take an 8-ounce glass of cola and add a serving of Metamucil and create a health food,” Dr. Ludwig said. “Even though the fructose-to-fiber ratio might be the same as an apple, the biological effects would be much different.”
ndj1979 wrote: » freeoscar wrote: » http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/07/31/making-the-case-for-eating-fruit/?_r=0 Here is an article discussing why it is better for your body to get sugar from whole fruit rather than added refined. I stopped reading at Ludwig.... I will see your blog, and raise you with this one...http://www.alanaragonblog.com/2010/01/29/the-bitter-truth-about-fructose-alarmism/ also, just because you get fiber from fruit does not make the sugar in fruit better. If I eat added sugar and take a multivitamin does it become good???
freeoscar wrote: » http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/07/31/making-the-case-for-eating-fruit/?_r=0 Here is an article discussing why it is better for your body to get sugar from whole fruit rather than added refined.
freeoscar wrote: »
freeoscar wrote: » Clearly you stopped reading the article, as here is a direct quote from it: "You can’t just take an 8-ounce glass of cola and add a serving of Metamucil and create a health food,” Dr. Ludwig said. “Even though the fructose-to-fiber ratio might be the same as an apple, the biological effects would be much different.” Why? Do you need me to paste the entire article? Here is the very next paragraph: Fiber provides “its greatest benefit when the cell walls that contain it remain intact,” he said. Sugars are effectively sequestered in the fruit’s cells, he explained, and it takes time for the digestive tract to break down those cells. The sugars therefore enter the bloodstream slowly, giving the liver more time to metabolize them. Four apples may contain the same amount of sugar as 24 ounces of soda, but the slow rate of absorption minimizes any surge in blood sugar. Repeated surges in blood sugar make the pancreas work harder and can contribute to insulin resistance, thereby increasing the risk for Type 2 diabetes.
freeoscar wrote: » Clearly you stopped reading the article, as here is a direct quote from it: "You can’t just take an 8-ounce glass of cola and add a serving of Metamucil and create a health food,” Dr. Ludwig said. “Even though the fructose-to-fiber ratio might be the same as an apple, the biological effects would be much different.” Why?
Clearly you stopped reading the article, as here is a direct quote from it: "You can’t just take an 8-ounce glass of cola and add a serving of Metamucil and create a health food,” Dr. Ludwig said. “Even though the fructose-to-fiber ratio might be the same as an apple, the biological effects would be much different.”
Do you need me to paste the entire article? Here is the very next paragraph: Fiber provides “its greatest benefit when the cell walls that contain it remain intact,” he said. Sugars are effectively sequestered in the fruit’s cells, he explained, and it takes time for the digestive tract to break down those cells. The sugars therefore enter the bloodstream slowly, giving the liver more time to metabolize them. Four apples may contain the same amount of sugar as 24 ounces of soda, but the slow rate of absorption minimizes any surge in blood sugar. Repeated surges in blood sugar make the pancreas work harder and can contribute to insulin resistance, thereby increasing the risk for Type 2 diabetes.
APeacefulWarrior wrote: » I'm sensing the overall feeling is put up and shut up until the EMT's come to pick one of us up. (I know there are a couple people who have a better understanding of why I'm so upset - I realize that doesn't represent you) So essentially, if you witnessed your spouse or significant other downing a bottle of poison, you'd just sit back ( or join them) and say "hey, he (or she) is an adult and if they want to finish off that poison, well then, that's their right."? That doesn't seem very loving, concerned or compassionate, but maybe that's where we are as a society... accepting and then sticking your head in the sand to ignore seems to be the expectation. Not sure I can be on board with that, but I think that's what he expects of me too.
mamapeach910 wrote: » ^Yup. GI. Which counts on the food being eaten in isolation. And is nonsense.
gothchiq wrote: » APeacefulWarrior wrote: » I'm sensing the overall feeling is put up and shut up until the EMT's come to pick one of us up. (I know there are a couple people who have a better understanding of why I'm so upset - I realize that doesn't represent you) So essentially, if you witnessed your spouse or significant other downing a bottle of poison, you'd just sit back ( or join them) and say "hey, he (or she) is an adult and if they want to finish off that poison, well then, that's their right."? That doesn't seem very loving, concerned or compassionate, but maybe that's where we are as a society... accepting and then sticking your head in the sand to ignore seems to be the expectation. Not sure I can be on board with that, but I think that's what he expects of me too. I understand perfectly. It's not like he's single. What he does affects your life very heavily as well as his own, and that matters. A marriage involves commitment, responsibility, and sometimes compromise, it does not mean going "lalalala i will do whatever i want regardless of the consequences because i am over 21 years old." When a person gets married, they supposedly accept the responsibility that their behavior greatly affects their spouse and that therefore they may have to make some compromises so as not to make that person's life miserable. You are accepting YOUR spousal responsibility in supporting him and trying to help him stick to the plans his doctor(s) laid out for him. Now he needs to accept his. Does he think you deserve to have to watch him die, and basically make yourself over into a home health nurse, for something he could easily avoid?
mccindy72 wrote: » gothchiq wrote: » APeacefulWarrior wrote: » I'm sensing the overall feeling is put up and shut up until the EMT's come to pick one of us up. (I know there are a couple people who have a better understanding of why I'm so upset - I realize that doesn't represent you) So essentially, if you witnessed your spouse or significant other downing a bottle of poison, you'd just sit back ( or join them) and say "hey, he (or she) is an adult and if they want to finish off that poison, well then, that's their right."? That doesn't seem very loving, concerned or compassionate, but maybe that's where we are as a society... accepting and then sticking your head in the sand to ignore seems to be the expectation. Not sure I can be on board with that, but I think that's what he expects of me too. I understand perfectly. It's not like he's single. What he does affects your life very heavily as well as his own, and that matters. A marriage involves commitment, responsibility, and sometimes compromise, it does not mean going "lalalala i will do whatever i want regardless of the consequences because i am over 21 years old." When a person gets married, they supposedly accept the responsibility that their behavior greatly affects their spouse and that therefore they may have to make some compromises so as not to make that person's life miserable. You are accepting YOUR spousal responsibility in supporting him and trying to help him stick to the plans his doctor(s) laid out for him. Now he needs to accept his. Does he think you deserve to have to watch him die, and basically make yourself over into a home health nurse, for something he could easily avoid? Which is why they need to learn to communicate about the whole issue, not control each other or passively let each other do whatever, as so many have suggested. She can't control him by 'throwing everything out', or just let him blithely do whatever he wants. They need to sit down and discuss the situation rationally. Communication in any relationship is definitely the most important aspect.
TimothyFish wrote: » I assume that your husband has no intention of eating all that at one time. There is a big difference between having it in the house and having it in your stomach.
