85kurtz wrote: » [quote="ndj1979;32399662". I don't know too many people that are going to hang on for years "starving" themselves, which was the example given.
Some statistics record 24 million people with Ed's in the USA alone. I do not know the rates of anorexia nervosa alone. The death rate associated with anorexia nervosa has the highest mortality rate of any mental illness and 12 times higher than any other cause of death in females aged 14 - 25. So the fact that you don't know anyone with this disorder is largely irrelevant. I don't know any meth. addicts but that doesn't mean I deny their existence.
85kurtz wrote: » 12 times higher than any other cause of death in females aged 14 - 25. .
Nony_Mouse wrote: » ndj1979 wrote: » LAWoman72 wrote: » ndj1979 wrote: » 85kurtz wrote: » I wonder how people would respond to this post if the OP had said her husband was starving himself to death because of anorexia nervosa? Probably that she should encourage him to get professional help. I believe that chronic overeating is another ED but without the sympathy attached. I am still not entirely convinced that the OP's husband is not just bringing the food into the house for himself. It seems that sometimes partners are very threatened by the idea that their loved one may become more attractive and find another partner. talk about comparing apples and oranges.. OP's husband may die from a medical condition at some point later in life VS someone that is doing an action (starving themselves) that will lead to certain death in the very near future. and the attractive comment is just downright ludicrous... So if it's (possibly, not definitely) a slower death, it's not a big deal? Do you have an exact time frame on what constitutes imminent death? Because anorexics can hang on for years too. Or decades. I'd love to hear what you single-handedly have decided constitutes a quick enough death to warrant medical attention of some sort. Obesity for apparently decades, to the extent of requiring WLS, and now including, at the very least, diabetes (which is no walk in the park) isn't it, so what is? Just curious what your personal determination, that must necessarily be true for everyone, is. "OP's husband may die from a medical condition at some point later in life..." How much later, for a severely obese patient with restructured insides who is diabetic? Roughly. In your educated estimation, I mean I'm assuming you have your MD at the very least? No, I don't have an MD, do you? I am speaking from personal experience. My former boss is a diabetic, very obese, and eats whatever he wants. He is now 65 years old on the same path and has not had any ill effects. so yea, I am still calling BS on that example. As it is drawing a similarity between certain death, and the prospect of it somewhere down the line.I don't know too many people that are going to hang on for years "starving" themselves, which was the example given. They don't. The people who hang on for years cycle in and out, and often die of the massive damage done to their bodies doing that, even if they are on the road to recovery (Karen Carpenter if we want a famous example).
ndj1979 wrote: » LAWoman72 wrote: » ndj1979 wrote: » 85kurtz wrote: » I wonder how people would respond to this post if the OP had said her husband was starving himself to death because of anorexia nervosa? Probably that she should encourage him to get professional help. I believe that chronic overeating is another ED but without the sympathy attached. I am still not entirely convinced that the OP's husband is not just bringing the food into the house for himself. It seems that sometimes partners are very threatened by the idea that their loved one may become more attractive and find another partner. talk about comparing apples and oranges.. OP's husband may die from a medical condition at some point later in life VS someone that is doing an action (starving themselves) that will lead to certain death in the very near future. and the attractive comment is just downright ludicrous... So if it's (possibly, not definitely) a slower death, it's not a big deal? Do you have an exact time frame on what constitutes imminent death? Because anorexics can hang on for years too. Or decades. I'd love to hear what you single-handedly have decided constitutes a quick enough death to warrant medical attention of some sort. Obesity for apparently decades, to the extent of requiring WLS, and now including, at the very least, diabetes (which is no walk in the park) isn't it, so what is? Just curious what your personal determination, that must necessarily be true for everyone, is. "OP's husband may die from a medical condition at some point later in life..." How much later, for a severely obese patient with restructured insides who is diabetic? Roughly. In your educated estimation, I mean I'm assuming you have your MD at the very least? No, I don't have an MD, do you? I am speaking from personal experience. My former boss is a diabetic, very obese, and eats whatever he wants. He is now 65 years old on the same path and has not had any ill effects. so yea, I am still calling BS on that example. As it is drawing a similarity between certain death, and the prospect of it somewhere down the line.I don't know too many people that are going to hang on for years "starving" themselves, which was the example given.
LAWoman72 wrote: » ndj1979 wrote: » 85kurtz wrote: » I wonder how people would respond to this post if the OP had said her husband was starving himself to death because of anorexia nervosa? Probably that she should encourage him to get professional help. I believe that chronic overeating is another ED but without the sympathy attached. I am still not entirely convinced that the OP's husband is not just bringing the food into the house for himself. It seems that sometimes partners are very threatened by the idea that their loved one may become more attractive and find another partner. talk about comparing apples and oranges.. OP's husband may die from a medical condition at some point later in life VS someone that is doing an action (starving themselves) that will lead to certain death in the very near future. and the attractive comment is just downright ludicrous... So if it's (possibly, not definitely) a slower death, it's not a big deal? Do you have an exact time frame on what constitutes imminent death? Because anorexics can hang on for years too. Or decades. I'd love to hear what you single-handedly have decided constitutes a quick enough death to warrant medical attention of some sort. Obesity for apparently decades, to the extent of requiring WLS, and now including, at the very least, diabetes (which is no walk in the park) isn't it, so what is? Just curious what your personal determination, that must necessarily be true for everyone, is. "OP's husband may die from a medical condition at some point later in life..." How much later, for a severely obese patient with restructured insides who is diabetic? Roughly. In your educated estimation, I mean I'm assuming you have your MD at the very least?
ndj1979 wrote: » 85kurtz wrote: » I wonder how people would respond to this post if the OP had said her husband was starving himself to death because of anorexia nervosa? Probably that she should encourage him to get professional help. I believe that chronic overeating is another ED but without the sympathy attached. I am still not entirely convinced that the OP's husband is not just bringing the food into the house for himself. It seems that sometimes partners are very threatened by the idea that their loved one may become more attractive and find another partner. talk about comparing apples and oranges.. OP's husband may die from a medical condition at some point later in life VS someone that is doing an action (starving themselves) that will lead to certain death in the very near future. and the attractive comment is just downright ludicrous...
85kurtz wrote: » I wonder how people would respond to this post if the OP had said her husband was starving himself to death because of anorexia nervosa? Probably that she should encourage him to get professional help. I believe that chronic overeating is another ED but without the sympathy attached. I am still not entirely convinced that the OP's husband is not just bringing the food into the house for himself. It seems that sometimes partners are very threatened by the idea that their loved one may become more attractive and find another partner.
ndj1979 wrote: » 85kurtz wrote: » ndj1979 wrote: » 85kurtz wrote: » ndj1979 wrote: » and the attractive comment is just downright ludicrous... No not really, The University of Carolina published a research paper about this. It isn't that uncommon. go ahead and link us to it for review purposes... I have already done the research. I suggest you log into google and type "research papers that indicate partners derail weight loss". That should get you there. sorry does not work that way…if you make a claim, and then claim to have a study to back up said claim, it is your responsibly of provide it. It is not my job to verify your bogus claims.
85kurtz wrote: » ndj1979 wrote: » 85kurtz wrote: » ndj1979 wrote: » and the attractive comment is just downright ludicrous... No not really, The University of Carolina published a research paper about this. It isn't that uncommon. go ahead and link us to it for review purposes... I have already done the research. I suggest you log into google and type "research papers that indicate partners derail weight loss". That should get you there.
ndj1979 wrote: » 85kurtz wrote: » ndj1979 wrote: » and the attractive comment is just downright ludicrous... No not really, The University of Carolina published a research paper about this. It isn't that uncommon. go ahead and link us to it for review purposes...
85kurtz wrote: » ndj1979 wrote: » and the attractive comment is just downright ludicrous... No not really, The University of Carolina published a research paper about this. It isn't that uncommon.
ndj1979 wrote: » and the attractive comment is just downright ludicrous...
ndj1979 wrote: » LAWoman72 wrote: » ndj1979 wrote: » 85kurtz wrote: » I wonder how people would respond to this post if the OP had said her husband was starving himself to death because of anorexia nervosa? Probably that she should encourage him to get professional help. I believe that chronic overeating is another ED but without the sympathy attached. I am still not entirely convinced that the OP's husband is not just bringing the food into the house for himself. It seems that sometimes partners are very threatened by the idea that their loved one may become more attractive and find another partner. talk about comparing apples and oranges.. OP's husband may die from a medical condition at some point later in life VS someone that is doing an action (starving themselves) that will lead to certain death in the very near future. and the attractive comment is just downright ludicrous... So if it's (possibly, not definitely) a slower death, it's not a big deal? Do you have an exact time frame on what constitutes imminent death? Because anorexics can hang on for years too. Or decades. I'd love to hear what you single-handedly have decided constitutes a quick enough death to warrant medical attention of some sort. Obesity for apparently decades, to the extent of requiring WLS, and now including, at the very least, diabetes (which is no walk in the park) isn't it, so what is? Just curious what your personal determination, that must necessarily be true for everyone, is. "OP's husband may die from a medical condition at some point later in life..." How much later, for a severely obese patient with restructured insides who is diabetic? Roughly. In your educated estimation, I mean I'm assuming you have your MD at the very least? No, I don't have an MD, do you? I am speaking from personal experience. My former boss is a diabetic, very obese, and eats whatever he wants. He is now 65 years old on the same path and has not had any ill effects. I don't know too many people that are going to hang on for years "starving" themselves, which was the example given. A sample size of one? I know a guy in an old Dannon commercial who's 110 and smokes.
LAWoman72 wrote: » ndj1979 wrote: » 85kurtz wrote: » I wonder how people would respond to this post if the OP had said her husband was starving himself to death because of anorexia nervosa? Probably that she should encourage him to get professional help. I believe that chronic overeating is another ED but without the sympathy attached. I am still not entirely convinced that the OP's husband is not just bringing the food into the house for himself. It seems that sometimes partners are very threatened by the idea that their loved one may become more attractive and find another partner. talk about comparing apples and oranges.. OP's husband may die from a medical condition at some point later in life VS someone that is doing an action (starving themselves) that will lead to certain death in the very near future. and the attractive comment is just downright ludicrous... So if it's (possibly, not definitely) a slower death, it's not a big deal? Do you have an exact time frame on what constitutes imminent death? Because anorexics can hang on for years too. Or decades. I'd love to hear what you single-handedly have decided constitutes a quick enough death to warrant medical attention of some sort. Obesity for apparently decades, to the extent of requiring WLS, and now including, at the very least, diabetes (which is no walk in the park) isn't it, so what is? Just curious what your personal determination, that must necessarily be true for everyone, is. "OP's husband may die from a medical condition at some point later in life..." How much later, for a severely obese patient with restructured insides who is diabetic? Roughly. In your educated estimation, I mean I'm assuming you have your MD at the very least? No, I don't have an MD, do you? I am speaking from personal experience. My former boss is a diabetic, very obese, and eats whatever he wants. He is now 65 years old on the same path and has not had any ill effects. I don't know too many people that are going to hang on for years "starving" themselves, which was the example given. A sample size of one? I know a guy in an old Dannon commercial who's 110 and smokes.
ndj1979 wrote: » 85kurtz wrote: » I wonder how people would respond to this post if the OP had said her husband was starving himself to death because of anorexia nervosa? Probably that she should encourage him to get professional help. I believe that chronic overeating is another ED but without the sympathy attached. I am still not entirely convinced that the OP's husband is not just bringing the food into the house for himself. It seems that sometimes partners are very threatened by the idea that their loved one may become more attractive and find another partner. talk about comparing apples and oranges.. OP's husband may die from a medical condition at some point later in life VS someone that is doing an action (starving themselves) that will lead to certain death in the very near future. and the attractive comment is just downright ludicrous... So if it's (possibly, not definitely) a slower death, it's not a big deal? Do you have an exact time frame on what constitutes imminent death? Because anorexics can hang on for years too. Or decades. I'd love to hear what you single-handedly have decided constitutes a quick enough death to warrant medical attention of some sort. Obesity for apparently decades, to the extent of requiring WLS, and now including, at the very least, diabetes (which is no walk in the park) isn't it, so what is? Just curious what your personal determination, that must necessarily be true for everyone, is. "OP's husband may die from a medical condition at some point later in life..." How much later, for a severely obese patient with restructured insides who is diabetic? Roughly. In your educated estimation, I mean I'm assuming you have your MD at the very least? No, I don't have an MD, do you? I am speaking from personal experience. My former boss is a diabetic, very obese, and eats whatever he wants. He is now 65 years old on the same path and has not had any ill effects. I don't know too many people that are going to hang on for years "starving" themselves, which was the example given. A sample size of one? I know a guy in an old Dannon commercial who's 110 and smokes.
talk about comparing apples and oranges.. OP's husband may die from a medical condition at some point later in life VS someone that is doing an action (starving themselves) that will lead to certain death in the very near future. and the attractive comment is just downright ludicrous...
No, I don't have an MD, do you? I am speaking from personal experience. My former boss is a diabetic, very obese, and eats whatever he wants. He is now 65 years old on the same path and has not had any ill effects. I don't know too many people that are going to hang on for years "starving" themselves, which was the example given.
Nony_Mouse wrote: » He didn't say he doesn't know anyone with Anorexia, he said he didn't know too many people who would hang on for years starving themselves. Big difference. At no pint did he deny the existence of people with AN.
MrM27 wrote: » ndj1979 wrote: » 85kurtz wrote: » ndj1979 wrote: » 85kurtz wrote: » ndj1979 wrote: » and the attractive comment is just downright ludicrous... No not really, The University of Carolina published a research paper about this. It isn't that uncommon. go ahead and link us to it for review purposes... I have already done the research. I suggest you log into google and type "research papers that indicate partners derail weight loss". That should get you there. sorry does not work that way…if you make a claim, and then claim to have a study to back up said claim, it is your responsibly of provide it. It is not my job to verify your bogus claims. Isn't the a good one, someone does the research then the argument is go find it yourself. You very well know no research was read.
mamapeach910 wrote: » 85kurtz wrote: » ndj1979 wrote: » 85kurtz wrote: » ndj1979 wrote: » and the attractive comment is just downright ludicrous... No not really, The University of Carolina published a research paper about this. It isn't that uncommon. go ahead and link us to it for review purposes... I have already done the research. I suggest you log into google and type "research papers that indicate partners derail weight loss". That should get you there. Though the burden is on you to prove your claims by all the rules of logic, I found this article which links to the abstract. I'm not paying to dowload the text of the study. The abstract doesn't seem to support your claims.https://news.ncsu.edu/2013/10/wms-romo-weight-2013/http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/10410236.2012.736467
85kurtz wrote: » Nony_Mouse wrote: » He didn't say he doesn't know anyone with Anorexia, he said he didn't know too many people who would hang on for years starving themselves. Big difference. At no pint did he deny the existence of people with AN. But we were discussing anorexia. That was my original point. Also the very definition of anorexia is someone that starves themselves (often for years) because of a mental illness that complicates their relationship with food and body image. Certainly this is an oversimplification, but true nonetheless.
Nony_Mouse wrote: » 85kurtz wrote: » Nony_Mouse wrote: » He didn't say he doesn't know anyone with Anorexia, he said he didn't know too many people who would hang on for years starving themselves. Big difference. At no pint did he deny the existence of people with AN. But we were discussing anorexia. That was my original point. Also the very definition of anorexia is someone that starves themselves (often for years) because of a mental illness that complicates their relationship with food and body image. Certainly this is an oversimplification, but true nonetheless. *sigh* I'm pretty sure ndj's point was that those continuously starving themselves would not hang on for years.
ndj1979 wrote: » seriously, if you already have the research then you should have easy access to it, I know I would ….
85kurtz wrote: » ndj1979 wrote: » seriously, if you already have the research then you should have easy access to it, I know I would …. Really? You don't do a lot of research then. I have researched literally thousands of papers in my career. I can honestly say that I do not have easy access to all of them, but can remember snippets of information from them. I do not understand this mania for people demanding to see research papers when, by and large, they would be totally unqualified to critique them any useful way. Nonetheless a quick google search illicited this response (sorry I do not know how to cut and paste on my phone) "Emma Innes quoting research by The University of Southern Carolina & University of Texas in The Daily Mail 23 October 2013 The title of the article is "How Losing Weight Can Be Bad For Your Relationship..." I read the original research paper so got the universities wrong.
mccindy72 wrote: » 85kurtz wrote: » I wonder how people would respond to this post if the OP had said her husband was starving himself to death because of anorexia nervosa? Probably that she should encourage him to get professional help. I believe that chronic overeating is another ED but without the sympathy attached. I am still not entirely convinced that the OP's husband is not just bringing the food into the house for himself. It seems that sometimes partners are very threatened by the idea that their loved one may become more attractive and find another partner. One conversation, one shopping trip. and people have this guy overeating himself to death. seriously? come on, people. No one starts the journey to eating better, eating in moderation, losing weight in one day. Did any of you do it? Have any of you ever had a backslide? There is a mountain of hypocrisy on this thread, on the word of one OP. Knock it off.
