....we feel it very important to notethat the principles of these two diets are not the same.
.... However, in the long term, the paleo diet can lead to cravings and serious deficiencies.
miriamtob wrote: » Weston A Price and Paleo
CountryMom03 wrote: » TheOwlhouseDesigns wrote: » miriamtob wrote: » The op asked what our secret was, I answered what worked for me, didn't preach. I didn't even choose the lifestyle for weight loss; I had medical reasons, but weight loss was a very welcome side effect. So same as for us...your calorie deficit makes you lose weight. Not eating a specific diet as Paleo Not always true. The "style" of diet does play a factor when you consider that Paleo doesnt allow for any sort of "fake" or "artificial" ingredients. I was on a more reg Americanized diet with calorie deficit and only lost a few lbs, then ended up starting to gain more. I finally figured out if I wanted my weight fixed, I needed to fix the inside of my body, their cells, blood, organs, etc Then the weight would take care of itself. Some people can successfully loose weight with a reg diet, or any diet out there, but that doesnt mean that anyone can. Everyones bodies are diff and what works for some doesnt always work for the next.
TheOwlhouseDesigns wrote: » miriamtob wrote: » The op asked what our secret was, I answered what worked for me, didn't preach. I didn't even choose the lifestyle for weight loss; I had medical reasons, but weight loss was a very welcome side effect. So same as for us...your calorie deficit makes you lose weight. Not eating a specific diet as Paleo
miriamtob wrote: » The op asked what our secret was, I answered what worked for me, didn't preach. I didn't even choose the lifestyle for weight loss; I had medical reasons, but weight loss was a very welcome side effect.
SezxyStef wrote: » miriamtob wrote: » Weston A Price and Paleo so that leads to question...which one?
miriamtob wrote: » mamapeach910 wrote: » ndj1979 wrote: » Chrysalid2014 wrote: » mamapeach910 wrote: » miriamtob wrote: » I lost significant weight before I ever counted a calorie by choosing the the Paleo WOE. So you can "lol" away until your food scale breaks. The thing is... No WOE guarantees that you're going to lose weight. I ate paleo before Cordain wrote the book on it and didn't lose weight. Neanderthin came out in the '90's, and that's what I followed. Why didn't I lose weight? I ate too many nuts and too much avocado. Simple. Too many calories, no weight loss. So, you can bang the drum all day about your "secret", but that's not what's really doing it for you. It might be a naturally satiating group of foods for you, and if it is? Great. But make no mistake, you're simply creating a calorie deficit. So in other words, the poster finds it easy to maintain a calorie deficit by following the paleo WOE – that's useful information. Constantly banging on about how all you need to do is have a calorie deficit isn't doing any more than stating the obvious. Everyone knows that, but clearly not everyone finds it easy to do (hence the need for sites like this) and following certain food plans helps some people to achieve it. Personally I'm finding it much easier to create a calorie deficit on a low-carb diet. I feel more full and am not tempted to binge on sugary crap. the point is paleo is totally unnecessary for anything, and is totally ridiculous because no one really eats how people did 10,000 years ago ... ETA - as paleo is totally unnecessary for weight loss it is not a "secret" for losing weight ... Exactly. It's just one way some people find of creating a deficit. So is low carb. It's not a weight loss "secret". The deficit created is. PS... the problem you all have with binging on sugar? That's a BEHAVIORAL issue. Stop blaming the food. You can pull out all the dopamine blah blah blah you want, but until we see people compulsively raiding pet stores to pet puppies, I'll stick with the idea that you can get control of your impulse to eat hyper-palatable foods simply because they're tasty and learn to eat them in moderation. OR not. If that's your choice. But it's not the food's fault... it's yours. Blaming someone for having a mental illness is just as nasty and judgmental as blaming someone for having any other physical illness. You don't think genetics, hormones, and chemistry play into afflictions affecting the mind? Is the brain somehow separate from all other organ systems?
mamapeach910 wrote: » ndj1979 wrote: » Chrysalid2014 wrote: » mamapeach910 wrote: » miriamtob wrote: » I lost significant weight before I ever counted a calorie by choosing the the Paleo WOE. So you can "lol" away until your food scale breaks. The thing is... No WOE guarantees that you're going to lose weight. I ate paleo before Cordain wrote the book on it and didn't lose weight. Neanderthin came out in the '90's, and that's what I followed. Why didn't I lose weight? I ate too many nuts and too much avocado. Simple. Too many calories, no weight loss. So, you can bang the drum all day about your "secret", but that's not what's really doing it for you. It might be a naturally satiating group of foods for you, and if it is? Great. But make no mistake, you're simply creating a calorie deficit. So in other words, the poster finds it easy to maintain a calorie deficit by following the paleo WOE – that's useful information. Constantly banging on about how all you need to do is have a calorie deficit isn't doing any more than stating the obvious. Everyone knows that, but clearly not everyone finds it easy to do (hence the need for sites like this) and following certain food plans helps some people to achieve it. Personally I'm finding it much easier to create a calorie deficit on a low-carb diet. I feel more full and am not tempted to binge on sugary crap. the point is paleo is totally unnecessary for anything, and is totally ridiculous because no one really eats how people did 10,000 years ago ... ETA - as paleo is totally unnecessary for weight loss it is not a "secret" for losing weight ... Exactly. It's just one way some people find of creating a deficit. So is low carb. It's not a weight loss "secret". The deficit created is. PS... the problem you all have with binging on sugar? That's a BEHAVIORAL issue. Stop blaming the food. You can pull out all the dopamine blah blah blah you want, but until we see people compulsively raiding pet stores to pet puppies, I'll stick with the idea that you can get control of your impulse to eat hyper-palatable foods simply because they're tasty and learn to eat them in moderation. OR not. If that's your choice. But it's not the food's fault... it's yours.
ndj1979 wrote: » Chrysalid2014 wrote: » mamapeach910 wrote: » miriamtob wrote: » I lost significant weight before I ever counted a calorie by choosing the the Paleo WOE. So you can "lol" away until your food scale breaks. The thing is... No WOE guarantees that you're going to lose weight. I ate paleo before Cordain wrote the book on it and didn't lose weight. Neanderthin came out in the '90's, and that's what I followed. Why didn't I lose weight? I ate too many nuts and too much avocado. Simple. Too many calories, no weight loss. So, you can bang the drum all day about your "secret", but that's not what's really doing it for you. It might be a naturally satiating group of foods for you, and if it is? Great. But make no mistake, you're simply creating a calorie deficit. So in other words, the poster finds it easy to maintain a calorie deficit by following the paleo WOE – that's useful information. Constantly banging on about how all you need to do is have a calorie deficit isn't doing any more than stating the obvious. Everyone knows that, but clearly not everyone finds it easy to do (hence the need for sites like this) and following certain food plans helps some people to achieve it. Personally I'm finding it much easier to create a calorie deficit on a low-carb diet. I feel more full and am not tempted to binge on sugary crap. the point is paleo is totally unnecessary for anything, and is totally ridiculous because no one really eats how people did 10,000 years ago ... ETA - as paleo is totally unnecessary for weight loss it is not a "secret" for losing weight ...
Chrysalid2014 wrote: » mamapeach910 wrote: » miriamtob wrote: » I lost significant weight before I ever counted a calorie by choosing the the Paleo WOE. So you can "lol" away until your food scale breaks. The thing is... No WOE guarantees that you're going to lose weight. I ate paleo before Cordain wrote the book on it and didn't lose weight. Neanderthin came out in the '90's, and that's what I followed. Why didn't I lose weight? I ate too many nuts and too much avocado. Simple. Too many calories, no weight loss. So, you can bang the drum all day about your "secret", but that's not what's really doing it for you. It might be a naturally satiating group of foods for you, and if it is? Great. But make no mistake, you're simply creating a calorie deficit. So in other words, the poster finds it easy to maintain a calorie deficit by following the paleo WOE – that's useful information. Constantly banging on about how all you need to do is have a calorie deficit isn't doing any more than stating the obvious. Everyone knows that, but clearly not everyone finds it easy to do (hence the need for sites like this) and following certain food plans helps some people to achieve it. Personally I'm finding it much easier to create a calorie deficit on a low-carb diet. I feel more full and am not tempted to binge on sugary crap.
mamapeach910 wrote: » miriamtob wrote: » I lost significant weight before I ever counted a calorie by choosing the the Paleo WOE. So you can "lol" away until your food scale breaks. The thing is... No WOE guarantees that you're going to lose weight. I ate paleo before Cordain wrote the book on it and didn't lose weight. Neanderthin came out in the '90's, and that's what I followed. Why didn't I lose weight? I ate too many nuts and too much avocado. Simple. Too many calories, no weight loss. So, you can bang the drum all day about your "secret", but that's not what's really doing it for you. It might be a naturally satiating group of foods for you, and if it is? Great. But make no mistake, you're simply creating a calorie deficit.
miriamtob wrote: » I lost significant weight before I ever counted a calorie by choosing the the Paleo WOE. So you can "lol" away until your food scale breaks.
DeguelloTex wrote: » rocknlotsofrolls wrote: » well heck yeah I'm serious. We've got it made compared to the caveman days, or whatever you want to call it. We have it made compared to the caveman days, but we run from the same number of dinosaurs that they did.
rocknlotsofrolls wrote: » well heck yeah I'm serious. We've got it made compared to the caveman days, or whatever you want to call it.
SezxyStef wrote: » ndj1979 wrote: » Chrysalid2014 wrote: » ndj1979 wrote: » erickirb wrote: » ndj1979 wrote: » miriamtob wrote: » ndj1979 wrote: » miriamtob wrote: » ndj1979 wrote: » miriamtob wrote: » Well, all you did is express how much you disapprove of the philosophy. That's your opinion and fortunately it bears no weight. This could be a productive conversation, if people were generally interested in my original answer, but it has been made into a boring discussion with a lot bullying and badgering by many of the usual suspects. Typical. Bye. the bullying train is never late, and that is just a fall back because you don't want to answer questions about paleo. sorry but disagreeing with your premise about paleo is not "bullying or bashing". I find it ironic that you are complaining about "badgering" when you were attempting to name call people that called you on paleo being a "secret for weight loss"... When you asked a member a question they provided you a direct answer; however, you were asked several times for a list of foods that you ate when doing Paleo and refused to answer.... I was asked to provide a list, randomly and in a mocking tone. The list of foods one can eat on a Paleo/primal/ancestral/Weston A Price diet like mine is crazy long. It's more about food quality, source, and what one is omitting from their menu. I think feeling better helps with weight loss because you can overcome the fatigue that inhibits activity. So, a deficit is great and a deficit while feeling vibrant is even better! how do you know it was mocking? You can read into that based on a typed response? oh, and no one wanted a complete list, just a sample, so feel free to provide it.... Yes, and I've been on the forums enough to know where those types of demands lead: jokes and gifs about cauliflower and further attempts to make the declared paleo person look foolish. It is not helpful. You need to work on your delivery; if your intention is to understand more and not just to make jokes. funny, you keep complaining about bashing, but the only one bashing is you with your passive aggressive attempts (which are very weak by the way) at name calling. so again, where is that temporary list of Paleo foods? I just want to see what paleo specific regional diet you are following... If you want to see non-paleo food items go check out their diary yesterday. Unless this person thinks those things are Paleo???? Paleo can be a way to reach a caloric deficit, the caloric deficit is the "secret" to weight loss. Paleo would be a good answer if the OP asked for options of achieving a caloric deficit... then again almost anything would qualify if you counted calories and stayed under maintenance. Like I said, I just want to see some of these Paleolithc foods and what region of the world they are from...as we all know, Paleolithic foods were regionally specific. So Paleo man from northern Europe would not of consumed the same foods as say Paleo man from northern Africa.... For the number of times you've demanded a food list, you could have easily googled and got the information for yourself. That makes it glaringly obvious to everyone here that you don't really want to know the information, rather you just want to badger someone. actually, I cannot Google a list because there are about 5000 different versions of Paleo. I googled Weston A Price and posted what is on their "rules"...just because I was curious...not sure how this poster can claim to follow it...as their diary indicates they don't. They try but it's hard...
ndj1979 wrote: » Chrysalid2014 wrote: » ndj1979 wrote: » erickirb wrote: » ndj1979 wrote: » miriamtob wrote: » ndj1979 wrote: » miriamtob wrote: » ndj1979 wrote: » miriamtob wrote: » Well, all you did is express how much you disapprove of the philosophy. That's your opinion and fortunately it bears no weight. This could be a productive conversation, if people were generally interested in my original answer, but it has been made into a boring discussion with a lot bullying and badgering by many of the usual suspects. Typical. Bye. the bullying train is never late, and that is just a fall back because you don't want to answer questions about paleo. sorry but disagreeing with your premise about paleo is not "bullying or bashing". I find it ironic that you are complaining about "badgering" when you were attempting to name call people that called you on paleo being a "secret for weight loss"... When you asked a member a question they provided you a direct answer; however, you were asked several times for a list of foods that you ate when doing Paleo and refused to answer.... I was asked to provide a list, randomly and in a mocking tone. The list of foods one can eat on a Paleo/primal/ancestral/Weston A Price diet like mine is crazy long. It's more about food quality, source, and what one is omitting from their menu. I think feeling better helps with weight loss because you can overcome the fatigue that inhibits activity. So, a deficit is great and a deficit while feeling vibrant is even better! how do you know it was mocking? You can read into that based on a typed response? oh, and no one wanted a complete list, just a sample, so feel free to provide it.... Yes, and I've been on the forums enough to know where those types of demands lead: jokes and gifs about cauliflower and further attempts to make the declared paleo person look foolish. It is not helpful. You need to work on your delivery; if your intention is to understand more and not just to make jokes. funny, you keep complaining about bashing, but the only one bashing is you with your passive aggressive attempts (which are very weak by the way) at name calling. so again, where is that temporary list of Paleo foods? I just want to see what paleo specific regional diet you are following... If you want to see non-paleo food items go check out their diary yesterday. Unless this person thinks those things are Paleo???? Paleo can be a way to reach a caloric deficit, the caloric deficit is the "secret" to weight loss. Paleo would be a good answer if the OP asked for options of achieving a caloric deficit... then again almost anything would qualify if you counted calories and stayed under maintenance. Like I said, I just want to see some of these Paleolithc foods and what region of the world they are from...as we all know, Paleolithic foods were regionally specific. So Paleo man from northern Europe would not of consumed the same foods as say Paleo man from northern Africa.... For the number of times you've demanded a food list, you could have easily googled and got the information for yourself. That makes it glaringly obvious to everyone here that you don't really want to know the information, rather you just want to badger someone. actually, I cannot Google a list because there are about 5000 different versions of Paleo.
Chrysalid2014 wrote: » ndj1979 wrote: » erickirb wrote: » ndj1979 wrote: » miriamtob wrote: » ndj1979 wrote: » miriamtob wrote: » ndj1979 wrote: » miriamtob wrote: » Well, all you did is express how much you disapprove of the philosophy. That's your opinion and fortunately it bears no weight. This could be a productive conversation, if people were generally interested in my original answer, but it has been made into a boring discussion with a lot bullying and badgering by many of the usual suspects. Typical. Bye. the bullying train is never late, and that is just a fall back because you don't want to answer questions about paleo. sorry but disagreeing with your premise about paleo is not "bullying or bashing". I find it ironic that you are complaining about "badgering" when you were attempting to name call people that called you on paleo being a "secret for weight loss"... When you asked a member a question they provided you a direct answer; however, you were asked several times for a list of foods that you ate when doing Paleo and refused to answer.... I was asked to provide a list, randomly and in a mocking tone. The list of foods one can eat on a Paleo/primal/ancestral/Weston A Price diet like mine is crazy long. It's more about food quality, source, and what one is omitting from their menu. I think feeling better helps with weight loss because you can overcome the fatigue that inhibits activity. So, a deficit is great and a deficit while feeling vibrant is even better! how do you know it was mocking? You can read into that based on a typed response? oh, and no one wanted a complete list, just a sample, so feel free to provide it.... Yes, and I've been on the forums enough to know where those types of demands lead: jokes and gifs about cauliflower and further attempts to make the declared paleo person look foolish. It is not helpful. You need to work on your delivery; if your intention is to understand more and not just to make jokes. funny, you keep complaining about bashing, but the only one bashing is you with your passive aggressive attempts (which are very weak by the way) at name calling. so again, where is that temporary list of Paleo foods? I just want to see what paleo specific regional diet you are following... If you want to see non-paleo food items go check out their diary yesterday. Unless this person thinks those things are Paleo???? Paleo can be a way to reach a caloric deficit, the caloric deficit is the "secret" to weight loss. Paleo would be a good answer if the OP asked for options of achieving a caloric deficit... then again almost anything would qualify if you counted calories and stayed under maintenance. Like I said, I just want to see some of these Paleolithc foods and what region of the world they are from...as we all know, Paleolithic foods were regionally specific. So Paleo man from northern Europe would not of consumed the same foods as say Paleo man from northern Africa.... For the number of times you've demanded a food list, you could have easily googled and got the information for yourself. That makes it glaringly obvious to everyone here that you don't really want to know the information, rather you just want to badger someone.
ndj1979 wrote: » erickirb wrote: » ndj1979 wrote: » miriamtob wrote: » ndj1979 wrote: » miriamtob wrote: » ndj1979 wrote: » miriamtob wrote: » Well, all you did is express how much you disapprove of the philosophy. That's your opinion and fortunately it bears no weight. This could be a productive conversation, if people were generally interested in my original answer, but it has been made into a boring discussion with a lot bullying and badgering by many of the usual suspects. Typical. Bye. the bullying train is never late, and that is just a fall back because you don't want to answer questions about paleo. sorry but disagreeing with your premise about paleo is not "bullying or bashing". I find it ironic that you are complaining about "badgering" when you were attempting to name call people that called you on paleo being a "secret for weight loss"... When you asked a member a question they provided you a direct answer; however, you were asked several times for a list of foods that you ate when doing Paleo and refused to answer.... I was asked to provide a list, randomly and in a mocking tone. The list of foods one can eat on a Paleo/primal/ancestral/Weston A Price diet like mine is crazy long. It's more about food quality, source, and what one is omitting from their menu. I think feeling better helps with weight loss because you can overcome the fatigue that inhibits activity. So, a deficit is great and a deficit while feeling vibrant is even better! how do you know it was mocking? You can read into that based on a typed response? oh, and no one wanted a complete list, just a sample, so feel free to provide it.... Yes, and I've been on the forums enough to know where those types of demands lead: jokes and gifs about cauliflower and further attempts to make the declared paleo person look foolish. It is not helpful. You need to work on your delivery; if your intention is to understand more and not just to make jokes. funny, you keep complaining about bashing, but the only one bashing is you with your passive aggressive attempts (which are very weak by the way) at name calling. so again, where is that temporary list of Paleo foods? I just want to see what paleo specific regional diet you are following... If you want to see non-paleo food items go check out their diary yesterday. Unless this person thinks those things are Paleo???? Paleo can be a way to reach a caloric deficit, the caloric deficit is the "secret" to weight loss. Paleo would be a good answer if the OP asked for options of achieving a caloric deficit... then again almost anything would qualify if you counted calories and stayed under maintenance. Like I said, I just want to see some of these Paleolithc foods and what region of the world they are from...as we all know, Paleolithic foods were regionally specific. So Paleo man from northern Europe would not of consumed the same foods as say Paleo man from northern Africa....
erickirb wrote: » ndj1979 wrote: » miriamtob wrote: » ndj1979 wrote: » miriamtob wrote: » ndj1979 wrote: » miriamtob wrote: » Well, all you did is express how much you disapprove of the philosophy. That's your opinion and fortunately it bears no weight. This could be a productive conversation, if people were generally interested in my original answer, but it has been made into a boring discussion with a lot bullying and badgering by many of the usual suspects. Typical. Bye. the bullying train is never late, and that is just a fall back because you don't want to answer questions about paleo. sorry but disagreeing with your premise about paleo is not "bullying or bashing". I find it ironic that you are complaining about "badgering" when you were attempting to name call people that called you on paleo being a "secret for weight loss"... When you asked a member a question they provided you a direct answer; however, you were asked several times for a list of foods that you ate when doing Paleo and refused to answer.... I was asked to provide a list, randomly and in a mocking tone. The list of foods one can eat on a Paleo/primal/ancestral/Weston A Price diet like mine is crazy long. It's more about food quality, source, and what one is omitting from their menu. I think feeling better helps with weight loss because you can overcome the fatigue that inhibits activity. So, a deficit is great and a deficit while feeling vibrant is even better! how do you know it was mocking? You can read into that based on a typed response? oh, and no one wanted a complete list, just a sample, so feel free to provide it.... Yes, and I've been on the forums enough to know where those types of demands lead: jokes and gifs about cauliflower and further attempts to make the declared paleo person look foolish. It is not helpful. You need to work on your delivery; if your intention is to understand more and not just to make jokes. funny, you keep complaining about bashing, but the only one bashing is you with your passive aggressive attempts (which are very weak by the way) at name calling. so again, where is that temporary list of Paleo foods? I just want to see what paleo specific regional diet you are following... If you want to see non-paleo food items go check out their diary yesterday. Unless this person thinks those things are Paleo???? Paleo can be a way to reach a caloric deficit, the caloric deficit is the "secret" to weight loss. Paleo would be a good answer if the OP asked for options of achieving a caloric deficit... then again almost anything would qualify if you counted calories and stayed under maintenance.
ndj1979 wrote: » miriamtob wrote: » ndj1979 wrote: » miriamtob wrote: » ndj1979 wrote: » miriamtob wrote: » Well, all you did is express how much you disapprove of the philosophy. That's your opinion and fortunately it bears no weight. This could be a productive conversation, if people were generally interested in my original answer, but it has been made into a boring discussion with a lot bullying and badgering by many of the usual suspects. Typical. Bye. the bullying train is never late, and that is just a fall back because you don't want to answer questions about paleo. sorry but disagreeing with your premise about paleo is not "bullying or bashing". I find it ironic that you are complaining about "badgering" when you were attempting to name call people that called you on paleo being a "secret for weight loss"... When you asked a member a question they provided you a direct answer; however, you were asked several times for a list of foods that you ate when doing Paleo and refused to answer.... I was asked to provide a list, randomly and in a mocking tone. The list of foods one can eat on a Paleo/primal/ancestral/Weston A Price diet like mine is crazy long. It's more about food quality, source, and what one is omitting from their menu. I think feeling better helps with weight loss because you can overcome the fatigue that inhibits activity. So, a deficit is great and a deficit while feeling vibrant is even better! how do you know it was mocking? You can read into that based on a typed response? oh, and no one wanted a complete list, just a sample, so feel free to provide it.... Yes, and I've been on the forums enough to know where those types of demands lead: jokes and gifs about cauliflower and further attempts to make the declared paleo person look foolish. It is not helpful. You need to work on your delivery; if your intention is to understand more and not just to make jokes. funny, you keep complaining about bashing, but the only one bashing is you with your passive aggressive attempts (which are very weak by the way) at name calling. so again, where is that temporary list of Paleo foods? I just want to see what paleo specific regional diet you are following...
miriamtob wrote: » ndj1979 wrote: » miriamtob wrote: » ndj1979 wrote: » miriamtob wrote: » Well, all you did is express how much you disapprove of the philosophy. That's your opinion and fortunately it bears no weight. This could be a productive conversation, if people were generally interested in my original answer, but it has been made into a boring discussion with a lot bullying and badgering by many of the usual suspects. Typical. Bye. the bullying train is never late, and that is just a fall back because you don't want to answer questions about paleo. sorry but disagreeing with your premise about paleo is not "bullying or bashing". I find it ironic that you are complaining about "badgering" when you were attempting to name call people that called you on paleo being a "secret for weight loss"... When you asked a member a question they provided you a direct answer; however, you were asked several times for a list of foods that you ate when doing Paleo and refused to answer.... I was asked to provide a list, randomly and in a mocking tone. The list of foods one can eat on a Paleo/primal/ancestral/Weston A Price diet like mine is crazy long. It's more about food quality, source, and what one is omitting from their menu. I think feeling better helps with weight loss because you can overcome the fatigue that inhibits activity. So, a deficit is great and a deficit while feeling vibrant is even better! how do you know it was mocking? You can read into that based on a typed response? oh, and no one wanted a complete list, just a sample, so feel free to provide it.... Yes, and I've been on the forums enough to know where those types of demands lead: jokes and gifs about cauliflower and further attempts to make the declared paleo person look foolish. It is not helpful. You need to work on your delivery; if your intention is to understand more and not just to make jokes.
ndj1979 wrote: » miriamtob wrote: » ndj1979 wrote: » miriamtob wrote: » Well, all you did is express how much you disapprove of the philosophy. That's your opinion and fortunately it bears no weight. This could be a productive conversation, if people were generally interested in my original answer, but it has been made into a boring discussion with a lot bullying and badgering by many of the usual suspects. Typical. Bye. the bullying train is never late, and that is just a fall back because you don't want to answer questions about paleo. sorry but disagreeing with your premise about paleo is not "bullying or bashing". I find it ironic that you are complaining about "badgering" when you were attempting to name call people that called you on paleo being a "secret for weight loss"... When you asked a member a question they provided you a direct answer; however, you were asked several times for a list of foods that you ate when doing Paleo and refused to answer.... I was asked to provide a list, randomly and in a mocking tone. The list of foods one can eat on a Paleo/primal/ancestral/Weston A Price diet like mine is crazy long. It's more about food quality, source, and what one is omitting from their menu. I think feeling better helps with weight loss because you can overcome the fatigue that inhibits activity. So, a deficit is great and a deficit while feeling vibrant is even better! how do you know it was mocking? You can read into that based on a typed response? oh, and no one wanted a complete list, just a sample, so feel free to provide it....
miriamtob wrote: » ndj1979 wrote: » miriamtob wrote: » Well, all you did is express how much you disapprove of the philosophy. That's your opinion and fortunately it bears no weight. This could be a productive conversation, if people were generally interested in my original answer, but it has been made into a boring discussion with a lot bullying and badgering by many of the usual suspects. Typical. Bye. the bullying train is never late, and that is just a fall back because you don't want to answer questions about paleo. sorry but disagreeing with your premise about paleo is not "bullying or bashing". I find it ironic that you are complaining about "badgering" when you were attempting to name call people that called you on paleo being a "secret for weight loss"... When you asked a member a question they provided you a direct answer; however, you were asked several times for a list of foods that you ate when doing Paleo and refused to answer.... I was asked to provide a list, randomly and in a mocking tone. The list of foods one can eat on a Paleo/primal/ancestral/Weston A Price diet like mine is crazy long. It's more about food quality, source, and what one is omitting from their menu. I think feeling better helps with weight loss because you can overcome the fatigue that inhibits activity. So, a deficit is great and a deficit while feeling vibrant is even better!
ndj1979 wrote: » miriamtob wrote: » Well, all you did is express how much you disapprove of the philosophy. That's your opinion and fortunately it bears no weight. This could be a productive conversation, if people were generally interested in my original answer, but it has been made into a boring discussion with a lot bullying and badgering by many of the usual suspects. Typical. Bye. the bullying train is never late, and that is just a fall back because you don't want to answer questions about paleo. sorry but disagreeing with your premise about paleo is not "bullying or bashing". I find it ironic that you are complaining about "badgering" when you were attempting to name call people that called you on paleo being a "secret for weight loss"... When you asked a member a question they provided you a direct answer; however, you were asked several times for a list of foods that you ate when doing Paleo and refused to answer....
miriamtob wrote: » Well, all you did is express how much you disapprove of the philosophy. That's your opinion and fortunately it bears no weight. This could be a productive conversation, if people were generally interested in my original answer, but it has been made into a boring discussion with a lot bullying and badgering by many of the usual suspects. Typical. Bye.
miriamtob wrote: » SezxyStef wrote: » ndj1979 wrote: » Chrysalid2014 wrote: » ndj1979 wrote: » erickirb wrote: » ndj1979 wrote: » miriamtob wrote: » ndj1979 wrote: » miriamtob wrote: » ndj1979 wrote: » miriamtob wrote: » Well, all you did is express how much you disapprove of the philosophy. That's your opinion and fortunately it bears no weight. This could be a productive conversation, if people were generally interested in my original answer, but it has been made into a boring discussion with a lot bullying and badgering by many of the usual suspects. Typical. Bye. the bullying train is never late, and that is just a fall back because you don't want to answer questions about paleo. sorry but disagreeing with your premise about paleo is not "bullying or bashing". I find it ironic that you are complaining about "badgering" when you were attempting to name call people that called you on paleo being a "secret for weight loss"... When you asked a member a question they provided you a direct answer; however, you were asked several times for a list of foods that you ate when doing Paleo and refused to answer.... I was asked to provide a list, randomly and in a mocking tone. The list of foods one can eat on a Paleo/primal/ancestral/Weston A Price diet like mine is crazy long. It's more about food quality, source, and what one is omitting from their menu. I think feeling better helps with weight loss because you can overcome the fatigue that inhibits activity. So, a deficit is great and a deficit while feeling vibrant is even better! how do you know it was mocking? You can read into that based on a typed response? oh, and no one wanted a complete list, just a sample, so feel free to provide it.... Yes, and I've been on the forums enough to know where those types of demands lead: jokes and gifs about cauliflower and further attempts to make the declared paleo person look foolish. It is not helpful. You need to work on your delivery; if your intention is to understand more and not just to make jokes. funny, you keep complaining about bashing, but the only one bashing is you with your passive aggressive attempts (which are very weak by the way) at name calling. so again, where is that temporary list of Paleo foods? I just want to see what paleo specific regional diet you are following... If you want to see non-paleo food items go check out their diary yesterday. Unless this person thinks those things are Paleo???? Paleo can be a way to reach a caloric deficit, the caloric deficit is the "secret" to weight loss. Paleo would be a good answer if the OP asked for options of achieving a caloric deficit... then again almost anything would qualify if you counted calories and stayed under maintenance. Like I said, I just want to see some of these Paleolithc foods and what region of the world they are from...as we all know, Paleolithic foods were regionally specific. So Paleo man from northern Europe would not of consumed the same foods as say Paleo man from northern Africa.... For the number of times you've demanded a food list, you could have easily googled and got the information for yourself. That makes it glaringly obvious to everyone here that you don't really want to know the information, rather you just want to badger someone. actually, I cannot Google a list because there are about 5000 different versions of Paleo. I googled Weston A Price and posted what is on their "rules"...just because I was curious...not sure how this poster can claim to follow it...as their diary indicates they don't. They try but it's hard... Just stop judging my food diary, k?Paleo is a template that people individualize based on their health goals. I'm not saying it's for everyone; I respect whatever makes people feel good and achieve their goals. Paleo/ primal-whatever-you-want-to-call-it has been a helpful tool for me in many regards including weight loss (yes, I know it comes down to a caloric deficit in the end, but there are all sorts of tricks to make achieving that easier). I can eat some dairy without any problems so I'll eat it. I can't do grains, high sugar, or legumes so naturally Paleo blogs and cookbooks provide the best recipes. Weston A Price inspired me to buy organic, make my own bone broth and cultured vegetables (an amazing source of probiotics).
elphie754 wrote: » Wow- lots abuse flags in the first pages for things that aren't even close to abuse.
miriamtob wrote: » SezxyStef wrote: » ndj1979 wrote: » Chrysalid2014 wrote: » ndj1979 wrote: » erickirb wrote: » ndj1979 wrote: » miriamtob wrote: » ndj1979 wrote: » miriamtob wrote: » ndj1979 wrote: » miriamtob wrote: » Well, all you did is express how much you disapprove of the philosophy. That's your opinion and fortunately it bears no weight. This could be a productive conversation, if people were generally interested in my original answer, but it has been made into a boring discussion with a lot bullying and badgering by many of the usual suspects. Typical. Bye. the bullying train is never late, and that is just a fall back because you don't want to answer questions about paleo. sorry but disagreeing with your premise about paleo is not "bullying or bashing". I find it ironic that you are complaining about "badgering" when you were attempting to name call people that called you on paleo being a "secret for weight loss"... When you asked a member a question they provided you a direct answer; however, you were asked several times for a list of foods that you ate when doing Paleo and refused to answer.... I was asked to provide a list, randomly and in a mocking tone. The list of foods one can eat on a Paleo/primal/ancestral/Weston A Price diet like mine is crazy long. It's more about food quality, source, and what one is omitting from their menu. I think feeling better helps with weight loss because you can overcome the fatigue that inhibits activity. So, a deficit is great and a deficit while feeling vibrant is even better! how do you know it was mocking? You can read into that based on a typed response? oh, and no one wanted a complete list, just a sample, so feel free to provide it.... Yes, and I've been on the forums enough to know where those types of demands lead: jokes and gifs about cauliflower and further attempts to make the declared paleo person look foolish. It is not helpful. You need to work on your delivery; if your intention is to understand more and not just to make jokes. funny, you keep complaining about bashing, but the only one bashing is you with your passive aggressive attempts (which are very weak by the way) at name calling. so again, where is that temporary list of Paleo foods? I just want to see what paleo specific regional diet you are following... If you want to see non-paleo food items go check out their diary yesterday. Unless this person thinks those things are Paleo???? Paleo can be a way to reach a caloric deficit, the caloric deficit is the "secret" to weight loss. Paleo would be a good answer if the OP asked for options of achieving a caloric deficit... then again almost anything would qualify if you counted calories and stayed under maintenance. Like I said, I just want to see some of these Paleolithc foods and what region of the world they are from...as we all know, Paleolithic foods were regionally specific. So Paleo man from northern Europe would not of consumed the same foods as say Paleo man from northern Africa.... For the number of times you've demanded a food list, you could have easily googled and got the information for yourself. That makes it glaringly obvious to everyone here that you don't really want to know the information, rather you just want to badger someone. actually, I cannot Google a list because there are about 5000 different versions of Paleo. I googled Weston A Price and posted what is on their "rules"...just because I was curious...not sure how this poster can claim to follow it...as their diary indicates they don't. They try but it's hard... Just stop judging my food diary, k?Paleo is a template that people individualize based on their health goals. I'm not saying it's for everyone; I respect whatever makes people feel good and achieve their goals. Paleo/ primal-whatever-you-want-to-call-it has been a helpful tool for me in many regards including weight loss (yes, I know it comes down to a caloric deficit in the end, but there are all sorts of tricks to make achieving that easier). I can eat some dairy without any problems so I'll eat it. I can't do grains, high sugar, or legumes so naturally Paleo blogs and cookbooks provide the best recipes. Weston A Price inspired me to buy organic, make my own bone broth and cultured vegetables (an amazing source of probiotics and a feel-good, low calorie snack).
SconnieCat wrote: » miriamtob wrote: » SezxyStef wrote: » ndj1979 wrote: » Chrysalid2014 wrote: » ndj1979 wrote: » erickirb wrote: » ndj1979 wrote: » miriamtob wrote: » ndj1979 wrote: » miriamtob wrote: » ndj1979 wrote: » miriamtob wrote: » Well, all you did is express how much you disapprove of the philosophy. That's your opinion and fortunately it bears no weight. This could be a productive conversation, if people were generally interested in my original answer, but it has been made into a boring discussion with a lot bullying and badgering by many of the usual suspects. Typical. Bye. the bullying train is never late, and that is just a fall back because you don't want to answer questions about paleo. sorry but disagreeing with your premise about paleo is not "bullying or bashing". I find it ironic that you are complaining about "badgering" when you were attempting to name call people that called you on paleo being a "secret for weight loss"... When you asked a member a question they provided you a direct answer; however, you were asked several times for a list of foods that you ate when doing Paleo and refused to answer.... I was asked to provide a list, randomly and in a mocking tone. The list of foods one can eat on a Paleo/primal/ancestral/Weston A Price diet like mine is crazy long. It's more about food quality, source, and what one is omitting from their menu. I think feeling better helps with weight loss because you can overcome the fatigue that inhibits activity. So, a deficit is great and a deficit while feeling vibrant is even better! how do you know it was mocking? You can read into that based on a typed response? oh, and no one wanted a complete list, just a sample, so feel free to provide it.... Yes, and I've been on the forums enough to know where those types of demands lead: jokes and gifs about cauliflower and further attempts to make the declared paleo person look foolish. It is not helpful. You need to work on your delivery; if your intention is to understand more and not just to make jokes. funny, you keep complaining about bashing, but the only one bashing is you with your passive aggressive attempts (which are very weak by the way) at name calling. so again, where is that temporary list of Paleo foods? I just want to see what paleo specific regional diet you are following... If you want to see non-paleo food items go check out their diary yesterday. Unless this person thinks those things are Paleo???? Paleo can be a way to reach a caloric deficit, the caloric deficit is the "secret" to weight loss. Paleo would be a good answer if the OP asked for options of achieving a caloric deficit... then again almost anything would qualify if you counted calories and stayed under maintenance. Like I said, I just want to see some of these Paleolithc foods and what region of the world they are from...as we all know, Paleolithic foods were regionally specific. So Paleo man from northern Europe would not of consumed the same foods as say Paleo man from northern Africa.... For the number of times you've demanded a food list, you could have easily googled and got the information for yourself. That makes it glaringly obvious to everyone here that you don't really want to know the information, rather you just want to badger someone. actually, I cannot Google a list because there are about 5000 different versions of Paleo. I googled Weston A Price and posted what is on their "rules"...just because I was curious...not sure how this poster can claim to follow it...as their diary indicates they don't. They try but it's hard... Just stop judging my food diary, k?Paleo is a template that people individualize based on their health goals. I'm not saying it's for everyone; I respect whatever makes people feel good and achieve their goals. Paleo/ primal-whatever-you-want-to-call-it has been a helpful tool for me in many regards including weight loss (yes, I know it comes down to a caloric deficit in the end, but there are all sorts of tricks to make achieving that easier). I can eat some dairy without any problems so I'll eat it. I can't do grains, high sugar, or legumes so naturally Paleo blogs and cookbooks provide the best recipes. Weston A Price inspired me to buy organic, make my own bone broth and cultured vegetables (an amazing source of probiotics and a feel-good, low calorie snack). No. No it isn't. You're not Paleo. That's fine. Just don't tout yourself as following "Paleo" lifestyle when it clearly isn't. You follow some Paleo principles but you're not eating in a Paleo manner.
